Not All Men And Women Are Equal

In this post-modern world of political correctness and the worshipping of diversity, the notion of people being “unequal” is frowned upon. A worldview that seeks to level the playing field for all humankind is based on a strong sense of justice and compassion.

Those who share this belief have their hearts in the right place but remain blind to the truth of the matter.

What this “enlightened” and “progressive” worldview misses is that treating people equally never produces equal results.

For instance, God loves everyone equally. Yet, not everyone returns the favor with an equal measure of enthusiasm or thankfulness (towards God or the neighbor).

Even if you are an atheist, when you treat people equally you cannot expect them all to reciprocate equally.

Let’s even explore how people differ in treating people equally, that is, doing good things for others. As humans, this endeavor of “doing good,” called love of kind is universally known and understood. However, some people do GOOD from a pureness of heart, others from obedience, still others seek merit and reputation. Finally, there are those who do good deeds from a hypocritical motivation and want deceive others from knowing their true intentions (hidden agendas).

In each of the examples given above, people are equally doing “good” for others yet their hearts are in quite different places. These different “places” represent the different qualities of people’s hearts, which is the true measure of their spirit. Therefore, when one sheds his or her physical body after death and becomes a pure spiritual being, do you still think they can share the same spiritual realities and live in the same spiritual environment?

For this reason, heaven or hell cannot be the same for everyone! Love is hierarchical. There is spiritual love, civil love, worldly love and self-love. One is “higher” than the others according to how sincerely inclusive and universal it is. Hatred has a similar order of distinct or hierarchical degrees.

The rejection of hierarchies is based on political abuses of power. But these abuses are human transgressions from proper universal laws—not from any inherent defect in the divine hierarchical scheme and gravitational order that rules over all things participating in a world of dynamic process and flux.

In God’s universe, all things become distinct and differentiated according to the degree that they promote unity. This explains nature’s incessant drive towards self-organization. This endeavor towards self-organization continues in the human mind, which arranges its thoughts and ideas according to values. The organization of the physical human body and the organization of the non-physical human mind are distinct and hierarchical. One outcome is genetic fate, the other is free choice and leads to our eternal destiny.

That is cosmic justice.

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EDWARD F. SYLVIA, M.T.S. Philosopher/Theologian Edward F. Sylvia attended the School of Visual Arts in New York and received his Master of Theological Studies at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, CA and a Certificate of Swedenborgian Studies from the Swedenborgian House of Studies. He is a member of the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences (C.T.N.S.) and the Swedenborg Scientific Association (S.S.A.). Award-winning author of "Sermon From the Compost Pile: Seven Steps Toward Creating An Inner Garden" and "Proving God," which fulfills a continuing vision that God’s fingerprints of love can be found everywhere in the manifest universe. His most recent book, "Swedenborg & Gurdjieff: The Missing Links" is an edgy collection of anti-intuitive essays for personal transformation that challenges and inspires. He has been a student of the ideas of both Emanuel Swedenborg and George I. Gurdjieff for over thirty years. Read more about TheGodGuy, his books and his ideas at http://www.staircasepress.com
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10 Responses to Not All Men And Women Are Equal

  1. Elizabeth Massie says:

    Thanks for a thoughtful blog.

    You say, “Therefore, when one sheds his or her physical body after death and becomes a pure spiritual being, do you still think they can share the same spiritual realities and live in the same spiritual environment?”

    The answer is absolutely. Our *core* essence, our spirits/souls are equal, even if, while living on earth, our motives vary from pure to selfish when doing “good.”

    We will all be in the same “spiritual environment” after our deaths because are all meant to be with God after our deaths and His will is perfect. We are all created with the same inherent ability to recognize and love God when we meet Him with all earthly distractions stripped away. This is true for even the most hardened of us. To think otherwise either suggests God is not as Awesome and Glorious as we believe, or to suggest that God created some of His children so flawed that they do not have the capacity to recognize or accept His love. When we face Him at last at our deaths we will desire Him most profoundly; we will reach out to Him and draw in His Love as one who is drowning will draw in the breath of life when pulled from the sea. It is the moment when His will and our will become one and the same.

    God understands us better than we understand ourselves. We will never be separated from Him; He knows each of us personally and perfectly, and loves us in spite of our shortcomings and our sometimes evil and selfish and cruel deeds. We will repent now or in His presence at our deaths, and all of us will be united with Him in eternity.

    So regardless of what “hierarchies” you have ascribed to various kinds of love, this will be irrelevant in the next life.

    And there is no hell. That is a human construct that assumes God’s appetite for vengeance is the same as ours and that is must be satisfied.

  2. thegodguy says:

    Dear Elizabeth,

    Thank you for your wonderful and detailed response. You are a true child of God and are very intelligent.

    However, you are mistaken on ALL accounts.

    You have hit on many topics which I have addressed in several previous posts. I also address these important issues in my upcoming book “Proving God.”

    But let me try to address your beliefs in as simple a way as possible. First of all, God created each of us to have FREE WILL and DISCERNMENT. These two gifts from God are what make us human. With these two gifts we each create our individuality, that is, our first-person phenomenal experience.

    Love has no meaning without free choice. The human soul weaves together a spiritual body based on what we love, our life-choices, and our world views. Heaven is not some place you go to. IT IS SOMETHING YOU BECOME.

    The essence of religion is to do GOOD. Religion is God’s strategy to help us develop a proper “inner reality” (God’s kingdom is within us) that can resonate with heavenly truth and love. What purpose does God’s revealed truths (Holy Writings) have if physical life on earth doesn’t count and we will all live in eternal happiness in spite of how we choose to live our lives on earth?

    If I believed that I could get away with anything.

    Some people believe that the greatest happiness is to dominate over others. What makes you so sure that such people will not be “pissed-off” when they find out that heavenly happiness consists of serving others, rather than others serving them?

    We have to consciously choose and consciously work at loving others. This often goes against the grain of what we want.

    God did not create hell nor does it represent God’s vengeance. Evil is its own punishment (just as goodness is its own reward). Hell is a contingency. It consists of those who refuse to accept life on God’s terms. We are what we love. For God to change what we love would be an action that is contrary to the laws of love – since it would override who we are and what we believe happiness to be.

    Yes, everyone has the capacity to recognize and accept Gods Love. But it is God’s Love that protects free will in humans. Likewise, humans are more protective of their freedoms than they are concerned with living by the Commandments. True freedom is to go against one’s compulsions and resist the allurements of the world.

    There is much more to say concerning these important topics and I don’t expect to convince you of anything with this short response. I hope you will seek out my book “Proving God.” It explains the non-physical topological qualities that spirits find when they enter the spiritual realm beyond spacetime.

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  3. Elizabeth Massie says:

    I also appreciate your detailed reply, but you are mistaken (no need to all-cap any of that). You aren’t giving God enough credit as the All Knowing Creator.

    First of all, I didn’t say our physical life does not count, I know that when we meet God in the next life we will have much to repent for and that we will know first hand the harm we caused others. This may be our “moment of hell” and something we brought on ourselves. But it will not last.

    Being worried about whether we can “get away with anything” or not is a very human concern. Of course people don’t want to believe that everyone could actually be forgiven and accepted as equals into God’s presence for eternity. It goes against our human sense of justice. But our sense of justice is not perfect. God’s is, however. Because following God’s justice always comes God’s mercy. God knows if we tried to “get away with something” during our lifetime. And He will show us personally and intimately what harm we did when we attempted whatever it was. We will know the misery we inflicted. But again, justice is always followed by mercy and forgiveness.

    One bottom line is this – God knows exactly why we do what we do. He knows our various physical, emotional, mental intricacies (He made us, after all), the various influences in our lives, the weaknesses, the strengths, the goodness, and the selfishness that we all succumb to at some point. God also knows very well that not all of us have equal abilities to handle the gifts of free will and discernment. Some persons are more timid, others more brave. Some are more easily influenced because they are more inherently needy. Others are not so easily influenced. Some never feel filled. Others are content.

    Let’s look at the example you give – those who find great happiness in dominating others. Once they actually encounter God, one-on-one, with nothing to cloud their visions or their minds or their souls, that God-given ability to recognize Him and love Him will rise to the surface and burst forth as it was created to do. Their wills will become one with His. The happiness they found in dominating others, which served them to some degree while they were living, will vanish completely, because it was a physical survival tactic, an earthy desire, not a spiritual one. And what a beautiful release that will be.

    You say, “For God to change what we love would be an action that is contrary to the laws of love – since it would override who we are and what we believe happiness to be.” Yes, as human beings we have free will. But to suggest that God allows our greedy, sometimes dreadful choices (often rooted in insecurities and fears and trauma and yes, sometimes pure selfishness) to have such far-reaching, dire, and inevitable consequences is to suggest that God, who created all and understands all, is willing to let us wallow in the mire and backwash of our limited understandings and poor choices even after we have met Him one-on-one. Even after we have come to see where we have erred and fallen short. Even after we have been surrounded and embraced by the enormity of His Love and have repented heartily (and all will repent, for He is that Great and we all have that divine connection that will not be denied.) Even after we have exchanged our earthly loves for the true love that He offers – *willingly* and joyfully.

    I agree that in many ways we are what we love here on earth. However, once we reunite with God beyond this world we will ALL (need the all caps there) love God. It is as much a part of who we are as our hearts and minds were part of our physical bodies. It is a core element of humanity. As I mentioned before, this is not God substituting His will for ours but the moment our wills become one.

    Yes, we all have the capacity to recognize and accept God’s love. And it is inevitable that we will do so…either on earth or in the next life. This is not anti-free will. We are, in essence, God’s children…
    there is much more to us than what you find fumbling about on earth, struggling to figure out existence, trying to connect with one another, trying to decipher life while shadows dart about and harm waits around the corner.

    Speaking of will, there are two actually aspects of our being in which God’s will rules supreme and we have no say…the fact that we are born and that we die. In between that time, our own will runs free in varying degrees, shaped in great degree by the emotional, mental, and physical influences – negative or positive – in our lives. (Certainly someone who was born with neurological problems can’t be said to have total free will. There are other examples, as I’m sure you know.) And our individuality is not just derived from will and discernment but also from the differentiation of our basic genes – temperaments, interests, talents, etc.

    As to non-physical topological qualities that spirits find in the spiritual realm, well, all I can say is that I believe what is simplest is most often true. I don’t ascribe to LDS theology or other systems of belief that suggest our earthly burdens carry beyond earth past our initial one-to-one repentance and that there is hierarchy among the spirits who have gone on to the next life. Yes, these are important topics, and over time God has slowly been teaching me these simple truths. I feel incredibly blessed for what He has shown me regarding the next life.

    Pardon for the long reply. Though we don’t agree on the aspects of the afterlife, God loves us and I know He appreciates those who seek to know Him, love Him, and share that love with others. All the best with your writings. I’ll continue with mine.

    God bless and keep you.

  4. thegodguy says:

    Dear Elizabeth,

    What most people fail to understand is that the principles of love and the world views we adopt on earth represent real non-physical structure. The mind is rational according to our ability to organize our thoughts. This organization represents the non-material bio-complexity of our spirit.

    Again, heaven is not a place you go to. It is something you become. Heaven is not in time or space and therefore must have its metrics (standard of measurement) in the qualities of our love and its derivative thoughts.

    The physical body acts as a foundation to build the “upper” levels of our spiritual being. Without the physical body we lose the very vehicle which offers resistance to spiritual aspirations. Resistance sets the parameters of our spirit’s efforts to evolve and determines the quality of our efforts to transcend ourselves.

    Where the tree falls there it will lay.

    Scripture makes no mention or promise that all humans will be saved. And there can never be a perfect one-to-one ratio between the finite human will and God’s Infinite will. For that reason, spiritual beings can increase and eternally perfect their love for God and each other through eternity. Otherwise heavenly love would be stasis.

    We can continue this conversation in the other world. Good luck to you as well!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  5. Elizabeth Massie says:

    It’s not a matter of not understanding, it is a matter of disagreeing. They aren’t the same thing. I understand what you are saying; I disagree with your conclusions.

    What is more powerful during our life experience is not so much the choice of what we love and how we love but our inherent *need* to be loved, which is sated perfectly when we experience our one-to-one with God. This is when we relinquish our limited earthly loves and desires for Him. And our spirits are not so complicated as you would assume, but actually quite simple and perfect. They are our essence, formed when we are created by God, not formed by our own selves through our imperfect fumblings on earth. Our spirits are equal to one another. Our worldly journeys may be different (the portions we choose and the portions that just occur), and we may clothe ourselves with all sorts of foul things along the way, but regardless, the twisting of the roads they still lead us on to the inevitable, simple truth of God and His love for us. We learn some varied lessons on earth as we encounter each other and struggle with the physical elements as constructed by God, but learn the whole Lesson when we are reunited with Him.

    I don’t base my understandings in scripture but in God. It doesn’t matter that some men claim that God doesn’t promise all humans will be saved. Again, that concept is derived from a limited human mindset, a need to believe we cannot all be saved because how unfair that would seem to our human psyches. Some worked hard for it and some didn’t, and to have the same results? God knows our individual struggles (some much harder than others) and He will forgive and receive every one of us.

    A tree may fall but a tree has no spirit, a tree is not a conscious being. A human may fall but God will lift him or her at last. Stasis? Not at all. We cannot begin to imagine the joys that await us when our wills become one with God’s will – the ecstasy of worship and love. When we become pure spirit our will is no longer the finite human will but a will based securely in and meshed perfectly with God’s will. The only measurement is God’s justice then mercy and forgiveness. All other measurements are human measurements.

    This isn’t to say we become God or God-like but that we unite with Him in love and release and our adoration will pour forth like an unending stream.

    True, we won’t have a meeting of minds here but how wonderful is it when we seek God? And may our seekings bring us closer to Him and to His other children, and in doing so may we treat each other with active compassion – which is God’s will for us.

    God bless you and keep you.

  6. thegodguy says:

    Dear Elizabeth,

    While we disagree I believe you are a heavenly spiritual being. Sincere Spiritual Love is the key to the eternal heavenly kingdom. God’s heavenly kingdom is a kingdom of love.

    But consider this. Nothing exists without form. Heavenly spirits (and angels) do not have physical forms. So what kind of forms do they have? What “material” is at hand to give human form to spirits?

    Love!

    Spiritual bodies are forms of love. Love is spiritual substance and it adapts form to its disposition and usefulness. We are creating this spiritual body from the choices we make during our terrestrial life.

    Love is non-physical creative substance! This is the substance of the soul. But the soul flows into and gives the physical body its life.

    The soul flows into our lives whether we do good or hurtful deeds. It follows the dictates of one’s Ruling Love and fashions a corresponding spiritual body. If the soul did not comply with a person’s ruling love, human individuality would never take form and havoc would occur between the soul and its flow into a person’s physical bio-form.

    God is infinite mercy but never compels. If, as you say, we will all be overwhelmed by God’s love (after we die) this would be a “forced” intervention and a kind of spiritual coercion. God protects our free will even in the after-life.

    Again, love has no meaning (or qualifier) without free will. And free will has no meaning without the possibility of both good and bad choices. We must cooperate with God but the choice remains with us. There is no way that a person’s individuality can “jump” from one will into another will without going through self-examination and a decision to struggle with our negative aspects. We cannot do this alone and need to seek Gods help.

    Unity with God is a two-way street. True love must be reciprocal. God’s love for us is perpetual and comes with the territory. So, our greatest inherent “need” is not to be loved, it is to love!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  7. Elizabeth Massie says:

    I hear (read) what you’re saying but again I don’t agree. I don’t believe spirits are formed from love but…from spirit! Spirits love but are not formed of love, but of spirit. If you’ve ever had an “out of body” experience you might have an idea of what I’m talking about.

    And again, God allowing us to experience His pure love at our deaths and join our wills with His is not a “forced” intervention any more than the fact that it was His decision that we are born and His decision that we die. You are suggesting God’s mercy is not infinite in that He stand back and let us suffer for our human frailties and poor choices while on earth. That kind of hands-off approach isn’t Divine mercy. God has created us so that our wills become united when we meet Him one-to-one. It is not a substitution of His will for ours nor a forced intervention, but a uniting of wills. As I did earlier, I compare it to the instinctive, reflexive drawing of air into one’s lungs when one has been drowning and is then rescued. We will draw in God’s love instinctively and reflexively when we come before Him and see His Truth. We will all desire it. We are created to desire it as we are destined as humans to be born and to die. Do you take issue with God having complete control over the fact that we are born and that we die? Or is that an acceptable act of God’s will as opposed to our own? I ask because some folks wish greatly they had never been born; their will would be that they did not exist. Yet God brought them forth. Some dread the idea of dying and it is not their will that they died. Yet they die because it is part of God’s plan.

    And again, I think you missed my point (maybe I ran on too long?) when I said that we will go through a review of what we did (“self-examination” if you will) and in that moment is when we repent and unite with God.

    I believe that for most people the need to be loved is greater than the need to love. We love to receive love. God loves us, so we love Him in return!

    You may be surprised to hear (read) me say that we may have some beliefs in common, in spite of our differences. I totally agree that “God’s heavenly kingdom is a kingdom of love.” We will love and be loved when we are with God, we will find the peace and the joy and the love we struggled for while on earth.

    Fascinating conversation, truly. Thanks for your time and thoughts.

    Not sure you want to continue this but I’ll be gone a while. I’ve got a book due next week and should actually spend some time on it. :)

    God bless and keep you.

  8. thegodguy says:

    Dear Elizabeth,

    Good luck on your book project! My own new book “”Proving God” has been printed and advanced reading copies will be sent to me soon. I am excited about the project, which is a seven-year attempt to unify science and theology.

    Back to our conversation. We both agree on love. Doctrine is less important.

    But let me offer an example or two on how we can understand the “substance” of spirit. We are both physical and spiritual beings. Our physical being is under physical laws and our spiritual being is under spiritual laws. We can actually sense these two different laws and the distinct types of measurement outcomes produced in both realms!

    For instance, we can be physically close to a person but feel miles apart. Or we can be many miles from someone yet still feel close to that person. So besides physical distance there is emotional distance. This emotional distance is spiritual distance. Spiritual distance is derived from love and affinity.

    When a person is loving and caring we say they are big-hearted. A selfish person is often called a “small” person.

    We are all instinctively attuned to spiritual measurements which are derived from the states and qualities of our heart and mind. If love can can effect spiritual measurement then it must be the “stuff” everything is made out of in the spiritual world. Love is the very fabric of fundamental reality.

    I go into detailed explanation of how love is the ultimate substantial of the universe in my upcoming book. But hopefully I was able to give you a “taste”
    of how this might make sense.

    I will continue to respond to any and all comments you may have in the future!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  9. Elizabeth Massie says:

    Congrats on the ARCs coming soon. That’s always exciting. Seven years…wow. My first book (which was published seventeen years ago; time flies!) took three years and I thought that was a lifetime. But then again, it was a novel, not a discourse on unifying science and theology. Hope it’s a huge success!

    Elizabeth

  10. thegodguy says:

    Dear Elizabeth,

    Your kindness is appreciated. So is your intelligence.

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

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