Did Jesus Talk To Himself?

In several previous posts I discussed the concept that it was Jehovah Himself who came into the world and through a woman’s womb procured a finite human body.

Many issues have to be addressed to make this idea plausible. There is the issue of tackling the false doctrine that the Holy Trinity represents three Persons rather than three attributes of one God. There is the issue of how the infinite can be contained within the finite. There is the issue of how the Lord glorified his human nature and ascended to heaven with His physical body. And there is the issue of why Jesus would converse with Jehovah if they were one and the same Divine Personality.

Since I have addressed the first three issues in other posts I will now address the issue of Jesus seemingly talking to Jehovah God as though they were separate personages. How can “Father” and “Son” carry on a conversation if they are actually the same person? 

We humans, being created in God’s image and likeness possess the same three attributes, but on a finite level. These attributes consist of free will (an analog of God’s Infinite Love), intellectual discernment or rationality (an analog of God’s Infinite Wisdom), and thirdly, forging our heart and mind into concrete outcomes through purposeful action (God’s Infinite Flowing Spirit).

In the same way that the human will is put on display from our thoughts and actions, Jesus’ thoughts and actions, while living on earth, put God’s will on display.

Having a physical body, the Lord, too, could experience the same compulsions and allurements from the corporeal/sensual world. Jesus put God’s will on display by combating these human seductions and gaining victory over them. This meant that the Lord’s human nature had to be humbled before His Divine Nature. It was during these states of humiliation that Jesus (the Son) seemingly spoke to Jehovah (the Father).

This communication is similar to humans who have experienced bouts with their conscience or inner spirit over some worldly temptation. This inner communication is between our corporeal nature (the flesh) and our inner compass. One influence will ultimately rule over the other (even though both influences constitute one and the same person).

The Lord also had this multi-leveled conversation within Himself. By compelling His flesh to come completely under the rule of His inner heavenly spirit (a process of humiliation that reached its fulfillment on the cross) He was able to make even His flesh completely ONE with the “Father.” This was the means by which the Son glorified the Father, and the Father the Son. This unification was also the means by which the Lord became the Alpha and Omega and gained all power over heaven and earth.

Unlike Jesus, the human spirit is unable to empower the flesh to resist evil without Divine assistance. When we approach the Lord for help—through humility—we are tapping into a power that has proven itself to resist evil in concrete ways. 


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EDWARD F. SYLVIA, M.T.S. Philosopher/Theologian Edward F. Sylvia attended the School of Visual Arts in New York and received his Master of Theological Studies at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, CA and a Certificate of Swedenborgian Studies from the Swedenborgian House of Studies. He is a member of the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences (C.T.N.S.) and the Swedenborg Scientific Association (S.S.A.). Award-winning author of "Sermon From the Compost Pile: Seven Steps Toward Creating An Inner Garden" and "Proving God," which fulfills a continuing vision that God’s fingerprints of love can be found everywhere in the manifest universe. His most recent book, "Swedenborg & Gurdjieff: The Missing Links" is an edgy collection of anti-intuitive essays for personal transformation that challenges and inspires. He has been a student of the ideas of both Emanuel Swedenborg and George I. Gurdjieff for over thirty years. Read more about TheGodGuy, his books and his ideas at http://www.staircasepress.com
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5 Responses to Did Jesus Talk To Himself?

  1. Tina says:

    Thank you for this article, it helps me understand a very difficult topic.
    Do you have any bible verses that we can look to for

  2. Tina says:

    …. accidentally posted my comment before I was finished.
    Any bible verses that we can look to for back-up on this subject?

    Thank you!

    • thegodguy says:

      Dear Tina,

      The idea that Jesus was Jehovah God (in the flesh) is mostly the unique biblical translation of theologian Emanuel Swedenborg. Jesus constantly maintained that He and His Father in heaven were ONE. This is to be understood as Jehovah representing the divine soul of Jesus. (We humans are one with our own souls yet our bodies and worldly deeds need to be brought into greater harmony with the soul). Same with Jesus (who was born into the world and received many worldly leanings from His Mother Mary. The act of glorification was the unifying of the Lord’s earthly Human traits and form with His heavenly divine essence (Jehovah), which was perfected through the trials of defeating the entire temptations issuing from hell. Hell had access to the Lord because of his human nature and hereditary flaws. Jesus defeated these flaws while on earth (that is why He did not come down off the cross and kick tail – that would have been a human and flawed reaction of using physical force). This is a big topic and there are many issues to be addressed. For instance, God’s Word has three levels of meaning – so no literal phrases can help you here.

      Spiritually yours,

    • havau22 says:

      (This is taught also by Paul, in these words concerning the Lord:

      “For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” (Col. 2:9.)
      the passage in John: [New Testament Sacred Scripture]
      The Word was with God
      and the Word was God; and the Word was made flesh. John 1:1, 14.

      Here there is an explanation about the New Testament Sacred Scripture saying that “the Word was God … And the Word was made flesh.” The Word” = Divine Truth or Divine Speech = God the Divine Human. “Was made flesh” = incarnation in a physical body on earth. That this was God who incarnated is clear from the statement that “the Word was God’ and that the Word was made flesh. Hence it was God who incarnated in a physical body on earth. This is the Divine Child

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