How can God create a Son who is the same age?

This is one of the big theological problems traditional Christianity faces when trying to reconcile how God (the Father) could beget a “Son” while holding on to the idea that they both lived from eternity as ONE. To beget something implies a starting point and sequence in time, while the concept of Father and Son living from eternity and being equally God suggests simultaneity (throwing the Holy Spirit into the discussion only adds to the confusion).

Many Christian theologians chalk this up as a ”mystery of faith” (therefore the strength of one’s faith is essentially measured by belief from ignorance).

However, even theologians of the strongest faith have to eventually quiet their ever-questioning brains. That is why the early fathers of Christianity were forced to concoct a way to reconcile monotheism with Holy Scripture’s seeming depiction of God as three “Persons.”

We are therefore left with this strange theological interpretation of Holy Scripture:

Jehovah God (the Father), try as He might, could not get the main players of the Old Testament to “follow His ways and commandments.” He next has no alternative but to send His only begotten Son to be slaughtered on earth to remedy the situation. So-o-o, it was not following the commandments and living a “good” life that saved you but having the faith that one of the three God’s died for your sins. If you believed this scenario (even without it making sense) the Son would go to the Father, put in a good word for you, then at the Father’s command, the Holy Spirit would invisibly bestow you with the gifts worthy of the elect.

In spite of this solution to sin, Jesus still has to come back a second time, and instead preaching love, He comes to kick serious butt. Like Father like Son. In Revelation Jesus shows us He is actually a chip off the old block by taking up the sword (like His feared and warring Dad did throughout the entire Old Testament).

Good grief! No wonder America and Europe are moving away from religion and doubt the inerrancy and divine authority of Scripture.

However, the problem is not with Scripture – it is that much of humanity has embraced a materialistic philosophy or naturalism. This causes scientists to look at the universe only from physical causes and principles, and theologians to interpret God’s Holy Word only literally.

Have you ever talked to yourself? This usually involves your worldly mind conversing with your deeper mind or inner spirit. This same type of conversation, between one’s physical self and one’s inner voice, was represented in the New Testament by Jesus talking to His Father in Heaven. It was Jehovah himself who came into the world and took on a physical body as Jesus.

Therefore, the seeming conversation between Jesus and Jehovah was a conversation between His physical or human nature and His inner, divine nature.  By submitting His human nature to the dictates of His divine nature, He was able resist the temptations of the flesh and make his physical body equally divine with His heavenly spirit (which was Jehovah).

This explains why He called Mary “woman” instead of “mother.” He had replaced everything He inherited from her with divine qualities. This top-down process took place throughout God’s entire life on earth and is why He was able to defeat death and ascend into heaven with His whole body (leaving an empty tomb). This is also how the Son glorified the Father and the Father the Son. The Lord while on earth made His human Divine and thus became the Alpha and Omega.

When we do God’s commandments and implore God’s help, we too begin to change our human nature (though on a finite scale). Because of the Lord’s complete victory over human sin in the world, He alone has the power to help us (this divine help is what is meant by the Holy Spirit). So it is true that the Lord lived and died for our sins. But we have to carry the same cross and take part in the fight. This lets God know precisely what it is that we want to change about ourselves.

So the doctrine of salvation by faith alone is counterfeit theology and comes from an unfortunate misinterpretation of St. Paul’s words. The Doctrine of the Holy Trinity as representing three Persons comes from the materialistic philosophy of interpreting Scripture literally only, instead of realizing that God is the Word, and therefore shares the same infinite depth.

The Lord came into the world as the Truth. Truth is what is “begotten” from God’s infinite Love. Truth is the form and measure of God’s Love – therefore neither has existence unless they exist together and from eternity.

My new book Proving God goes into these topics in greater detail and will be made available to the public in Spring 2010, just before Easter.

Website: http://www.provinggod.com

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EDWARD F. SYLVIA, M.T.S. Philosopher/Theologian Edward F. Sylvia attended the School of Visual Arts in New York and received his Master of Theological Studies at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, CA and a Certificate of Swedenborgian Studies from the Swedenborgian House of Studies. He is a member of the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences (C.T.N.S.) and the Swedenborg Scientific Association (S.S.A.). Award-winning author of "Sermon From the Compost Pile: Seven Steps Toward Creating An Inner Garden" and "Proving God," which fulfills a continuing vision that God’s fingerprints of love can be found everywhere in the manifest universe. His most recent book, "Swedenborg & Gurdjieff: The Missing Links" is an edgy collection of anti-intuitive essays for personal transformation that challenges and inspires. He has been a student of the ideas of both Emanuel Swedenborg and George I. Gurdjieff for over thirty years. Read more about TheGodGuy, his books and his ideas at http://www.staircasepress.com
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16 Responses to How can God create a Son who is the same age?

  1. Ian Thompson says:

    Dear Ed,
    So, was Jesus begotten by God, or not?
    It certainly looks like he was born! Or, are you saying that he always existed?
    Could you clarify? Thanks,
    Ian

  2. thegodguy says:

    Dear Ian,

    Thanks for the question (and making me sweat)!

    The term “begotten” refers to the fact that Truth is the only offspring of Divine Love. Love is divine LIFE and ESSENCE and Truth is the resulting FORM by which Love exists. But this apparent sequence is simply God’s way to communicate that Love finds form in Truth. However, in God’s case love and truth were eternally present and uncreated because at no time did God not have being and existence (Infinite life and Infinite form). To our finite minds it is hard to grasp how one is the instantaneous outcome of the other. The best way to put it is that one divine quality finds its reality in the other.

    God’s divine truth was also born in time and made flesh when Jesus was in the world. Through a continuous succession of events and challenges the Lord united his divine spirit fully with his material body. Now I have to jump from theology into a new assumption about physics.

    What is unknown to science and its materialistic philosophy is that all matter has its origins in spiritual substance (Divine Love). In fact, the Infinite is in finite things according to reception. The Lord’s struggle with human compulsions made his material body increasing receptive to divine influence (influx) until His body reached perfect conductivity with Infinite Love. In this case God’s Love found formal existence in time and space and He became the Alpha and Omega.

    Hope this helps. If you need further clarification please send me another specific question. The answer demands that I straddle several topics and genres. Good to hear from you!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  3. James says:

    The premise of the question is flawed. Jesus is the John 1 says He was with God and He was God, and all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made. Also John 3 says God so loved the world that he gave…which parallels the prophet Isaiah unto us a child is born unto us a son is given. The child was born but the Son given. Hebrews states a body you have prepared for me. So the Son was not created but rather Eternal and the Creator. As to the term only begotten(or first born) is speaking in terms rank, authority and inheritance not chronologically…after all Adam was called the son of God and was made long before Jesus was born.

  4. thegodguy says:

    Dear James,

    Thank you for your intelligent reply. However, your answer is flawed. You assume that God is three Persons. You also assume that Scripture communicates nothing more than the literal sense of its words.

    Even so, Scripture makes it clear (if you are paying close attention) that Jehovah God and Jesus are the same Person. I will quote just one passage out of many:

    “Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and His name shall be called Wonderful . . . the mighty God, the Father, the Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)

    In the traditional Trinitarian doctrine that portrays God as three Persons, Father and Son are distinct and play distinct roles. So how can the Saviour and Prince of Peace be the Father (Hypostatic union doesn’t cut it)?

    One more point, if the term “begotten” is used to indicate rank how can each distinct God be equally God? If they are not equal they cannot all be God, who alone is Infinite and has nothing lacking.

    You have dropped onto a blog that is promoting a paradigm shift in Christian theology.

    Spiritually yours.
    TheGodGuy

  5. irishanglican says:

    PS…Ed you simply must read Tertullian’s apologetic: Against Praxeas. It will correct your wrong thinking here! (www.kessinger.net Kessinger reprints thousands of hard to find books!).

    See also Eric Osborn’s fine book: Tertullian, first theologian of the West. I quote:

    “A complex thinker, Terullian has in modern times been rejected by both liberal Christianity and its secular critics, who in fealty to the Enlightenment believed that a passon for reason should lead to a quasi-mathematical system. The destruction of the belief by Godel, Wittgenstein, Rorty and many others opens the way for an understanding of Tertullian’s passion for opposites, contingency and rational arugment. Misquoted and misused, Terullian now calls for sustained analysis and interpretation. This book offers a major reppraisal of his theology and its influence on the shape of the Western Christian tradition, particularly Augustine.”

    Fr. Robert

  6. thegodguy says:

    Dear Father Robert,

    How can you still defend the distinctness of the Father and Son after I offered Scriptural verses showing that Jehovah God was redeemer, savior, the “son” and the Prince of Peace? In your Trinitarian doctrine functions are relegated to a specific God-Person. The Father is never to be confused for the “Son” but Scripture maintains He is (Isaiah 9:6)! Does your famous “hypostatic union” allow the three different “Gods” to cross union lines? Your Trinitarian doctrine cannot meet the integrity of its own convictions!

    Biblically speaking, Tertullian was working with a “bruised testicle” (how’s that for symbolism?). I have read his work. The complexity of his thinking involves embracing the illogicality of religious doctrine.

    There are not a small number of modern Christian thinkers who believe that if Christian theology is to achieve coherence and comprehensiveness it must be on some basis other than mere history. Emanuel Swedenborg recovers a sense of wholeness, unity, and integrity within the inerrancy and authority of God’s Holy Word that transcends blind faith.

    Whereas Tertullian believed logic was the “mother of heresy,” Swedenborg stated that the Lord God has now permitted humankind to “enter into the mysteries of faith through the understanding.”

    The Christian church is in trouble because it demands belief in the illogical. Sorry Fr. Robert, your old ideas will not change the trajectory of this blog!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  7. irishanglican says:

    Dear Ed,

    Change you? lol I am just seeking to show that you are really close minded. I just bet you have never read Tertullian’s “Against Praxeas”? Here you would find both logic and trancendence, but with a scripture mind also.

    Again you are like so many: misquoting and certainly misusing this profound Father of the faith.

    I guess I will just stop and leave you alone to your closed mind!

    Again readers, note Ed’s constant ad hominem, now even toward Tertullian…”bruised testicle”?

    Fr. Robert

  8. thegodguy says:

    Dear Fr. Robert,

    Ad hominem? Shame on you! I was quoting from Scripture:

    “He that is bruised with a bruising, or is bruised in the testicle, shall not come into the congregation of Jehovah . . . ” (Deuteronomy 23:1)

    A literal translation of this verse makes no logical or doctrinal sense – unless it contained a higher symbolic message. The “psycho-spiritual” meaning behind a person having a “bruised testicle” is one who has injured the prolific principle of his mind from promoting doctrinal falsities – like Tertullian.

    It was a pleasure exchanging our different theologies! Thanks!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  9. irishanglican says:

    Dear Ed,

    You must give the historic text to even begin to understand it! (Without it I did not know this was a scripture text?) Oh yes always the historical grammatical text! Only from here can we proceed.

    I can only hope and pray for your “bruised testicle”! lol Forgive my personal shot, but it is only mildly ad hom. lol

    And there really is only ONE salvic truth in God: “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no comes to the Father, but by ME.” (St. John 14:6)

    Bye Mr. Ed.

    Fr. Robert

  10. thegodguy says:

    Dear Fr. Robert,

    I had used this biblical passage in an earlier post (May or April). It is a challenging job to convince people (like you) that Scripture contains deeper meanings. That is why I have offered examples in dozens and dozens of articles on this blog.

    But imagine building a church sermon around the passage in Deuteronomy about “bruised testicles.” It makes no doctrinal sense that a person would be held back from heaven because of a “sports injury.” I used this passage as a glaring example that a higher psycho-spiritual interpretation allows us to harvest real doctrine from this otherwise nonsensical phrase.

    Yes, Jesus is the way to the truth – even the deeper truth within the Holy Word. That is why when He returns it will be in the midst of clouds. Clouds symbolize humankind’s mental obscurity concerning deeper doctrine from a mere literal interpretation of Scripture. The Second Coming represents the Lord appearing from within these clouds to reveal deeper spiritual arcana.

    The Lord stated that when He returns “it will not be observed.” How can the Great Red Dragon of the Apocalypse, that is big enough to destroy a third of the stars in the universe, go unnoticed? The reason is that the Second Coming is not a physical event but takes place within the hearts and minds of men and women. Revelation represents a new dispensation from the Lord God!

    Spiritually yours,
    TheGodGuy

  11. Domenic says:

    heres another scripture that jesus is God, in christ dwelleth all the fullness of the God head bodilly, how can these people argue when the bible tells you plain and clear that jesus is God, jesus also said search and you will find,

    • thegodguy says:

      Dear Domenic,

      Within 3 centuries after the Lord’s crucifixion, Christianity became confused over the meaning of the Lord God’s “Triune” nature – divine love, divine truth and divine use (it did not mean three Persons).

      Spiritually yours,
      TheGodGuy

  12. Domenic says:

    like swedenborg would say father son and holy spirit, are the 3 essentials of the one God, like body soul and operation in man, the holy spirit is the rational mind of God, i know that you did not mean 3,

    • thegodguy says:

      Dear Domenic,

      One can even put God’s 3 essentials into a scientific interpretation – active force, passive force and reconciling force. Thus we have universal principles operating in both the spiritual world and the physical world.

      Spiritually yours,
      TheGodGuy

  13. Domenic says:

    my correction, i know it did not mean 3 persons, instead of, i know that you did not mean 3,

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